Apr 9, 08 5:36pm
Residents affected by the proposed RM100 million pig farm in Kuala Langat today protested against the project in front of the Selangor menteri besar’s office in Shah Alam.
According to Bernama some 200 residents from Kampung Tumbuk Darat, Tanjung Sepat, Tanjung Laut, Kampung Layang, Kundang and Kampung Indah, gathered from 10.30am, carrying banners to vent their dissatisfaction over the decision.
The project is to be carried out in Padang Tumbuk in Kuala Langat.
Residents were quoted by the national new agency as saying that they opposed the pig farm project on safety and environment grounds.
A resident, Mohamad Tarmudi Tushiran, was quoted as saying that a majority of people in the area objected to the project as it could cause pollution, deter tourism and give rise to the spread of vector-borne diseases, particularly the Japanese Encephalitis.
He claimed that the area had already been the centre for small-scale pig farming for decades, causing pollution to the environment.
“We are worried that when the project takes off, the pig population will increase and this will aggravate the pollution further, with residents having had to put up with the stench from the farm,” he said.
Mohamad Tarmudi, also the Ladang Tumbuk village head, further said that tourism in Morib coastal areas as well as in Kelanang would be affected as tourists would be repelled by the existence of the biggest pig farm in Selangor.
The residents later submitted a memorandum to the political secretary of the menteri besar, Nik Nazmi Nik Ahmad, calling for the cancellation or relocation of project to Pulau Ketam where the majority of population were non-Muslim.
The new Pakatan Rakyat state government yesterday announced that the all pig farmers would be relocated to a centralised farm in Ladang Tumbuk within one year.
Khir disputes approval
Selangor Menteri Besar Khalid Ibrahim said the farm, which fulfilled the high quality guidelines approved by the Agriculture and Agro-based Ministry and the Natural Resources and Environment Ministry , had been approved by the previous state government on Jan 30.
He added that the new administration decided to go ahead with the project.
He also said that all waste from the project facility will be recycled into biogas to generate electricity, water for the facility and compost to grow feed for the pigs.
“There will be no discharge of waste from the facility,” he said.
At the same time, no new pig farms will be approved in the state, and all existing farms will be required to move to the vicinity of the project, added Khalid.
Former menteri besar Dr Mohamad Khir Toyo however today denied that his former administration had approved the project on Jan 30.
He also said that the new state government had the option of cancelling the project altogether.
“The previous state government was only at the initial state of discussing the setting up of the pig farm.
“We had not decided on anything. However we agreed that the project would be on a small scale, not something valued at RM100 million,” he said.
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12-4-2008 中国报
讓馬來社群瞭解零度污染-雪大臣講養豬概念
（莎阿南12日訊）雪州人民聯盟政府為了破解種族敏感界線，將向馬來社群講解“現代化集中養豬區計劃”，讓他們瞭解“零度污染”的飼養概念。
大臣丹斯里卡立依布拉欣今日為雪蘭莪土著企家聯合會第22屆會員大會主持開幕時，已向前跨出第一步，率先向在場逾200名土著企業家解釋有關計劃。
“我及掌管雪州農業州行政議員耶谷沙峇里將到郊區的馬來甘榜，向當地居民解釋整個計劃，尤其是高科技現代化養豬方式，將有效解決環境污染問題。”
他說，較早時州政府提出3個方案，即（一）讓養豬業維持現況、（二）全面禁止養豬及（三）推行現代化養豬計劃。
“經過研究，州政府選擇第3個方案，即所有養豬場將集中在一地區，業者共用先進系統，而豬隻的排泄物將被再循環使用，包括生產生化氣體、使用潔淨后的污用充作清洗用途等。”
他重申，“現代化集中養豬區計劃”是前州政府所批准，有關方面曾到歐洲國家考察現代化養豬計劃，同時拍下許多檔案照、擬定考察報告等。
“集中養豬區的地段不超過400英畝，計劃是由前州行政議會通過，可能是他們患上失憶症吧，才忘了已批准相關計劃。”
他強調，州政府尊重各民族，但絕對不會將雪州變成“養豬州”，同時回教也提倡公正的重要性。
卡立披露，州政府將在瓜冷縣東目一帶進行環境評估報告，預料有關報告將在約一年的時間出爐。
“在有關期間，我們將會見各區的豬農，與他們商討以什么方式參股等，確保現代化集中養豬區計劃順利進行。”
回青團：聆聽民意
高科技養豬將獲支持
（吉隆坡12日訊）回教黨青年團團長沙拉胡丁說，只要雪州政府願聆聽民意，採用高科技的集中養豬區計劃，必定會獲人民認同及支持。
他說，人民聯盟會對雪邦集中養豬場的課題，舉辦說明會及收集人民的意見。
“我們會瞭解人民對這項計劃的看法，然后才決定下一步該怎么做。”
他是今日召開記者會，發表談話。
出席記者會者包括回青團署理團長納西魯丁及副團長阿茲曼。
沙拉胡丁指出，回教黨最高領導層已針對集中養豬場課題，與雪州大臣丹斯里卡立會面，並提出3項建議。
他透露，第一項建議是對于現有的養豬場問題坐視不理，任由環境污染問題持續、第二則是仿傚新加坡，完全禁止養豬業。
“至于第三項建議，我認為是最好的選擇，即採用德國、紐西蘭的高科技，建設集中養豬場，這也照顧非回教徒的權益。”
他說，部分媒體歪曲了集中養豬區的計劃，惟他相信，只要雪州政府願意聆聽民意，第3項建議必定會獲得人民認同及支持。
陳忠登：集中養豬區
不會引發立百腦炎
馬大腦神經專科醫生陳忠登博士說，他不認為在雪州瓜冷縣開闢新的集中養豬區，會引發另一波類似“立百腦炎”的傳染病。
他說，儘管他不是動物學家，但站在病毒研究的角度來看，東目現代化養豬場的課題，跟人類傳染疾病無關。
“相反的，它和環境衛生、現代化農牧方法、社區感受有關。”
他說，養豬場的環境設計，固然跟防止立百病毒息息相關，如養豬場附近不得種植果樹，避免吸引蝙蝠傳染立百病毒，但東目集中養豬場，跟防止人類傳染病毒無關。
他說，由于我國越來越重視環境衛生，這課題與環境、社區居民的感受息息相關，它屬于現代化農業領域的研究範圍，而不是醫學界。
陳忠登博士今天在馬大發表“立百腦炎最新發展”學術演講后，受媒體詢問有關雪州瓜冷縣現代化養豬場的衛生問題時，作出上述的回應。
“我不是動物專家，但我認為，衛生管理對養豬場，特別是它的長遠發展很重要。”
陳忠登醫生于1998年9月至1999年6月立百病毒爆發期間，曾投入病毒研究工作，並將于下週一（14日）聯同馬大研究隊伍，獲頒“馬哈迪科學獎”，以表揚這團隊對控制立百疫情的功勞。
立百腦炎潛伏蝙蝠
或人傳人捲土重來
馬大醫藥中心腦神經專科醫生陳忠登博士警告，儘管國內不再有立百腦炎新病例，但這種傳染病還是可能會以另一種形式捲土重來，甚至潛藏在東南亞的其他地區。
“立百腦炎儲存在蝙蝠體內，因此，凡是在適合蝙蝠繁殖生長、與人類共處的生態環境，都有可能再度產生立百腦炎病毒，人們應提高警惕。”
他說，儘管立百腦炎自1999年疫情平息后，國內就沒有新病例，但類似的傳染病卻在印度一帶出現。
他指出，印度、孟加拉一帶地區，幾乎每一年都爆發立百腦炎疫情，不過，病毒的表現方式與1998、1999年大馬的立百腦炎有些差異，並出現人傳人病例。
陳博士今日配合“馬哈迪科學獎”頒獎禮，于馬來亞大學發表“立百腦炎最新發展”學術演講后，向媒體這樣指出。
他說，立百腦炎也可能以新的類型，或者新的表現形式出現，並可以發生人傳人現象，不得掉以輕心。
他認為，衛生管理是預防傳染病捲土重來的基本要素。
禽總生雞組承諾-只減產不罷賣
禽總生雞組副主任葉錦華承諾，若情況惡化，國內5000個雞農也不會“罷賣”生雞，因這會對消費人不公平。
他說，雖然業者目前面對虧損，但只會在逼不得已下減產，紓緩虧損。
“我們現在是多養多虧，每公斤虧損一令吉，這是以往不曾發生的。”
他指出，國內約有5000名雞農，大部分都是中小型農場，少部分是以合約形式經營農場。
I think people are reacting too early without checking the facts.
If the pig farm is properly planned, with all the hygiene measures in place and conforms with the quality guidelines set by the relevant Ministries, what is the problem?
Are people protesting because of health reasons, or are they protesting because it is a pig farm? Would they react the same way if it had been a chicken or cow farm?
I think the State Government should go ahead as long as the necessary standards are complied with.
I think the MB or exco member in charge of this should go there to hear their views and sell the project idea. I’m sure the state government have pictures and etc on how this modern farming is done overseas as I heard it is using german technology/methodology.
ok, can the protestors offer a workable alternative?
do they really understand the full context of the advance environmental technology is involved?
do they really understand that other farms will be closed down and moved over so more patches of selangor land can be rehabilitated?
do they know that pork meat can reduce strain on demand on chicken and help to keep chicken prices down and chicken meat dupply manageable?
do they know that they are giving an impression that non-muslims malaysia can’t live their own lives without fear of inequality?
yes, we can protest but surely the protestors can provide a counter scenario?
let’s work on win-win situation rather than zero sum games. otherwise, before long, Malaysia will be exporting labourers, maids and whatever.
This is an umno instigated protest. Watch out for more of these kind of protests aimed at race and religious issues.
Let the Pas exco members meet and answer the protestors. Just show them the EIA Report.
Malaysia has a great future in pork and pork canned food exports which industry can be bigger than chicken rearing.
This project is a lost cause because the MP for Kuala Langat is Shafie Mohd Salleh (BN – UMNO).
>> * Shafie Mohd Salleh (BN – UMNO) 34118 Maj: 21495
@ Zulkifli Noordin (OPP – KEADILAN) 12623
not to mention the lies that have been fed to them that it will increase pollution when in reality, it will stop pollution. Let them smell the existing pig farms in that area as they are BN supporters anyway.
“We are worried that when the project takes off, the pig population will increase and this will aggravate the pollution further, with residents having had to put up with the stench from the farm,”
http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/Wednesday/NewsBreak/20080409154254/Article/index_html
The sentiment is running bad… my Malay friends who voted for Pakatan Rakyat began to voice out their fear on the “political muscle” unfairly exerted by DAP upon the Muslims.
I believe this is a PR disaster that can be avoided.
Well first of all Khalid should not mention that the project was approved in Khir Toyo’s time as Khalid still has the power to cancel the project if he wants to. The way he blamed the previous government is as if he tried to excuse himself away from being responsible of making such decision (which is not the case in Syabas free water decision).
Second, there is no proper explanation that the RM100 million money does not come from state coffers, and that the pig farming project will actually benefit the Muslims in long term because all other legal/illegal pig farming with improper sewage system will be relocated to a single controlled environmental-friendly farming.
The one single issue that concerns me is for the Pakatan Rakyat to lose big in Malay base support due to this issue if not tackled properly. Why have the most sophisticated pig farming in a district populated by a majority that considers anything to do with “khinzir” highly sensitive in the first place. We already have the largest Alcohol plant in South East Asia with big brand advertisement facing the Federal Highway under the BN administration. I remembered the story of an American Muslim convert who told his taxi driver to drive him back to Subang Airport because he thought he mistakenly landed on a wrong country after the taxi drove by the Carlsberg plant.
I hope YB can solve the issue asap.
I don’t see anything wrong having a modernized pig farm. The people should understand what tolerance means. I though the recent GE12 has shed all those stereotyping. I also hate cows and kambing farms, they are also smelly, dirty and polluted but I am able to accept them. Why can’t they understand a modernized pig farm is for the better? In any event, the previous BN govt has already approved it and why didn’t there were any protest when the approval was made??? The protest is just another Selangor “BN-opposition” sandiwara lah.
Hello lee wee tak,
BA kerajaan Sekangor adalah gabungan PAS, DAP dan PKR. Walaupun Exco Selangor bersetuju secara amnya, namun sensitiviti setiap kaum haruslah dihormati.
Kebijaksanaan pemimpin membuat keputusan amat penting dalam menangani isu seperti ini. Harus diingat, pelbagai bangsa yang tinggal diSepang walaupun majoritinya Cina.
Kepada YB Teresa, mengapa projek babi skala 100 juta harus diutamakan ketika baru sahaja kerajaan nak bermula?
Tan Sri Khalid dan exconya, tolonglah berfikir panjang terlebih dahulu,jangan kerana nak menunaikan manifesto yang tak pernah wujud dan menyalahkan kerajaan lalu( Khir Toyo) kerana 100 juta bukannya kecil.Sekarang ini kita memerintah perlulah difikirkan acuan sendiri. Mengapa tidak diutamakan projek lembu,kambing atau ayam(tidak ditujukan kepada penganut Hindu tidak memakan daging)yang memang boleh dinikmati oleh semua pihak.
Jika diteliti BA adalah untuk semua, maka jalankanlah projek untuk semua.
Secara umumnya, terpulanglah kepada mana-mana bangsa yang memilih makan babi atau sebaliknya. Ada yang menegah ada yang tidak menegah. Orang Islam diharamkan memakan babi atas sebab-sebab yabg tertentu begitulah sebaliknya.
Saya tertunggu-tunggu amalan rasuah didedahkan seperti yang djanjikan…
TAK SALAH ORANG BUKAN ISLAM NAK MAKAN KHINZIR…, DAN WUJUDKAN PENTENAKAN SECARA MODEN…BEKALAN KHINZIR DI MALAYSIA KINI PUN LEBIH DARIPADA MENCUKUPI, YANG PASTINYA BAJET SEBEGITU BESAR BOLEH MENAMPUNG LEBIH BANYAK TERNAKAN DARI JUMLAH YANG SEDIA ADA DI SELANGOR
TAPI MAMPUKAH KERAJAAN BA BERI JAMINAN TIADA UNSUR MASALAH YANG BAKAL DIHADAPI ORANG ISLAM HASIL LAMBAKAN TERSEBUT…
DIHARAPKAN PIHAK PR TIDAK MEMBUAT KEPUTUSAN MELULU, DAN DAP PULA USAHLAH MENGAMBIL KESEMPATAN DALAM HAL INI..DENGARLAH RINTIHAN RAKYAT SEBELUM MELAKSANAKAN SESUATU PERKARA…
BERKENAAN ISU AIR BOLEH PULA KERAJAAN SELANGOR MENGKAJI DAHULU KENAPA TIDAK DENGAN ISU LADANG KHINZIR..
Ada beberapa persoalan yang bermain di fikiran saya selepas pengumuman kelulusan projek tenakan babi sebanyak 100juta di Selangor. Soalan tersebut adalah:-
1)Betulkah teknologi moden dalam penternakan babi itu telah ada, telah dijalankan kajian dan telah diuji? Menurut Menteri Besar Selangor, teknologi moden tersebut adalah :-
i) sistem biogas di mana ia digunakan sebagai sumber elektrik
ii) air akan dikitar semula untuk kegunaan di ladang itu
iii) najis babi akan dijadikan baja untuk penanaman makanan itu babi.
Jika diteliti, ianya bermaksud segala bahan buangan babi itu akan dikitar, digunapakai semula dan tidak akan menjejaskan kawasan lain.
Oleh itu, saya mahu YB Menteri Besar, Teresa Kok dan barisan Exco yang lain mengemukakan bukti kajian yang dijalankan oleh saintis bahawa najis babi boleh menghasilkan arus elektrik. Jika ada, berapa amaun elektrik yang dihasilkan oleh najis babi itu? Adakah ianya mencukupi untuk menjana elektrik di ladang babi moden itu? Sistem kitaran, pembersihan dan perawatan air yang bagaimana yang digunakan? Betulkah semua teknologi itu efektif, konsisten dan telah diuji keberkesanannya? Ingatlah bahawa kami rakyat Selangor ini, bukannya rendah intelektual (terima kasih kepada kerajaan kerana memberi peluang pendidikan) dan hanya menerima sahaja kenyataan pemimpin tertinggi. Kami tidak perlu dikaburkan dengan perkataan teknologi moden untuk menutup mulut kami supaya bersetuju dengan projek ini.
2)Kenapa ternakan babi yang diutamakan? Apakah tujuan projek ladang babi tersebut? Untuk kegunaan makanan rakyat tempatan yang berketurunan Cina atau untuk menjadikan Malaysia (negara Islam) pengeksport terbesar daging babi? Adakah kerajaan Selangor ingin pendapatan daripada hasil babi? Jika untuk kegunaan makanan mereka sahaja, bilangan ladang yang ada ini pun sudah lebih dari mencukupi. Buktinya kerajaan terpaksa menghapuskan sejumlah besar babi yang terdapat di Negeri Sembilan dan Melaka kerana mendatangkan kesan yang sangat teruk pada alam sekitar. Tidak ingatkah kita pada virus Japanese Encaphalitis yang merupakan virus bawaan babi yang mengorbankan banyak nyawa termasuk penternaknya sekali? Kita perlu mengambil pengajaran dari peristiwa lampau. Buat sesuatu yang dapat memberi faedah kepada penduduk.
3)Kenapa di Sepang? Bukankah di Sepang itu pintu masuk utama bagi negara Malaysia. Kita tidak mahu apabila pelancong tiba di Malaysia, mereka disambut “mesra”dengan babi-babi ini.
Saya berharap pemimpin tertinggi dapat mendengar suara rakyat. Salah satu faktor kekalahan UMNO pada PRU-12 adalah kerana sikap mereka yang mengabaikan dan memandang rendah suara rakyat. Oleh itu, “jangan terhantuk baru tengadah”. Kami sebagai rakyat sentiasa menyokong kepada barisan kepimpinan yang mengutamakan rakyat daripada mementingkan diri sendiri.
Hello Saudara Abbas
“BA kerajaan Sekangor adalah gabungan PAS, DAP dan PKR. Walaupun Exco Selangor bersetuju secara amnya, namun sensitiviti setiap kaum haruslah dihormati.”
– adakah saudara Abbas membawa maksud bajawa dulu Kerajaan BN amat mengambil prihatin mengenai sensitiviti setaip kaum. Jawapan baik mungkin dapat diperolehi daripada Kaum Hindu
“Kebijaksanaan pemimpin membuat keputusan amat penting dalam menangani isu seperti ini. Harus diingat, pelbagai bangsa yang tinggal diSepang walaupun majoritinya Cina.”
– setuju tapi lihat bahas saya,
” ok, can the protestors offer a workable alternative?
yes, we can protest but surely the protestors can provide a counter scenario?”
– setiap bantahan harus diikuti dengan cadangan nan bernas, praktikal dan adil.
– kebanyakan orang Malaysia terlalu emosi, tidak dapat membuat analisa yang menyeluruh dan kurang upaya dari segi menghasilkan “solutions to problems” akibat sistem pendidikan kita yang tidak menggalakkan pemikiran waras & bebas, perbahasan bernas dan pengalaman praktikal.
– kerajaan negeri Selangor boleh mengaturkan perjumpaan penduduk kawasan terlibat, dengar suara mereka, laksanakan langkah2 yang menjamin keselamatan mereka. Harus juga kami ingat penternak babi kita telah lama menerima layanan tidak adil daripada kerajaan lama. Kes penindasan kat Melaka tahun lalu, kes pampasan JE lenyap semua adalah pengalaman pahit segmen masyarakat Malaysia ini.
– saya rasa kita boleh majukan sampai daging babi diekspot. Bukankah Pak Lah juga minat memajukan bidang pertainian?
1) This farm is not to grow more Pigs. This farms is meant to RELOCATE the current open farm into the centralised farm. This will ensure no more illegal open pig farm can be open in future that can further deteriorate the environment.
2) 100mil is not spent by Goverment. is it going spent by private expenditure who is going to open the farm there.
3) A cleaner environment. Now all the pig shit from the open farms is going to the Morib sea. And a lot of Muslims are bathing in Morib. Dont you want to change it? The new plant is going to recycle the waste and nothing is coming out of the plant. How come muslims are not supporting this?
4) Approved by previous BN gomen. They spent millions to send officers to visit German to understand the technology.
5) Previous BN gomen already identified the Land and ground work started long time ago and halted halfway.
My “kampung” is in Kg. Layang, Kuala Langat. Let me tell you this, the plan of Centralised farming have been mooted at least 2 years ago. Is it supposed to be using German technology and a lot of the previous Gomen actually went to German to check out the technology.
According to my uncle the location of the farm is in a Chinese Area and currently there are open farm already operating there. Also most improtantly, the land have already been identified and some groundwork have started there for quite some time ago.
The location of the land is not a the road side but actually quite deep away from the main road.
Majority of residents there are supportive of the move to centralised pig farming due to the technology used. The open pig farm near my uncle’s house will also be moved away to the centralised farm.
I dont know why the BN ppl have no principles to use this issue as a political agenda as it is a good plan and also have been mooted by them, sent many officers to German, identified the location and even started the ground work.
Selamat Sejahtera Semua,
Isu Penternakan Babi bukan masalah sensiviti perkauman atau masyarakat. Ini adalah satu permainan politik saja.Kenapa Media tidak panas panaskan laporan pada waktu diluluskan(mungkin penduduk tidak tahu projeck telah diluluskan on Orang UMNO), hanya melaporkan selepas dibawah kerajaan pakatan rakyat. Projek ini diluluskan oleh Datuk Seri Dr. Mohamad Khir Toyo dibawah Barisan Nasional. Kenapa gambar ini jadikan tajuk utama?
dear youngscientist,
Mengapa projek ini patut di laksanakan dengan secepat mungkin? Ini sebabnya:
1) Alam sekitar – Sekiranya projek ini diberhentikan, semua ladang ladang babi terbuka akan masih berterusan. Sisa-sisa najis akan terus di salur kan ke pantai morib. Sedangkan kita masih bergembira untuk berkelah di Morib tanpa tahu yang ia dicemari najis babi. Ikan yang di tangkap di laut morib pun makan najis babi. Lepas tu kita makan Ikan itu pulak. Lebih baik kita relocate semua kandang babi sekarang ke kandang berpusat supaya tiada lagi pencemaran.
2) Penyakit – Dari bau busuk sehingga wabak penyakit akan berterusan. JE dah berlaku. Nak tunggu sampai wabak baru bermula sebelum nak mula balik projek ini?
3) Wang yang banyak telah di belanja kerajaan BN lama untuk menyelidik sebelum meluluskannya. Kerajaan baru telah memutuskan untuk meyambung projek ini tetapi implementasi mesti betul. Mahu kah kita melihat kerajaan baru membelanja lebih banyak untuk buat analisa lagi?
4)Sila lihat explanation saya seperti di atas. Teknologi ini adala berasas kan teknologi di Jerman.
5) Wang 100juta ini akan ditanggung oleh pihak swasta. Maka tiada wang taxpayer kita pergi kesana.
Fyi ini bukan la project yang baru. Projek ini telah bermula lebih dua tahun lalu. Dan telah diluluskan BN sebelum in pada bulan Januari. Kerja tapak pun dah mula lama tapi dihentikan sementara waktu.
Kerajaan baru telah mengatakan mereka tidak akan menghentikan projek-project lama yang telah diluluskan asalkan ia baik.
Pada firasat anda, tidak kan project in memberi manfaat kepada semua kaum dari segi alam sekitar dan tiada sisa najis keluar dari kandang setempat?
Tindakan yang patut diambil sekarang adalah penerangan.
Saya yakin masyarakat tidak mudah percaya cerita UMN0-BN , tetapi masyarakat memerlukan penerangan dan penjelasan.
Turunlah ke Sepang. Buatlah sesi dialog dan penjelasan. Tak perlu banyak bermain dengan media BN-UMNO, tetapi buatlah road-show kepada masyarakat Sepang .
dear youngscientist,
i would strongly suggest you read up on electricity generation via biogas.
for your convenience, please refer to the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biogas
If the waste produce by the pigs are so smelly and horrible, that is because it has high content of methane. also, the PR-led govt never said the farm don’t need any other energy source or that biogas power generation alone is sufficient. even if it is insufficient, can’t they source power from TNB?
As for the recycling technology to be employed, it is obvious if you build a farm from scratch, you can plan it in such a manner to ensure that refuse are properly handled. I am ok with the government carrying out the plan properly and according to the best practices. It is NOT in their interests to screw up. They know they only have 5 years before their mandate require another round of approval.
Your question of why pig farming is given emphasis is really a wrong question to ask. The question you should ask is, why are pig farming neglected all these years? Are the residents and consumers happy with poorly run, outdated, inefficient and disorganised farms? It is this kind of short term, close one eye attitude that we have exhibited so far that lead to future generations bear the consequences of the present and past generations. This PR-led government wants to spend RM100 million now to build a good, efficient and organised centralised pig farm.
My question to you is, would you be happy when someday your loved ones be infected with the nipah virus because in your opinion, the present pig farming should be left hence leaving the risk of spread of such disease be unattended?
From what I read, I believe you felt it is best to have no pig farms at all as a solution to the nipah virus. May I then ask, in relation to bird flu, do you also agree the chicken farms should be eliminated? How about Mad Cow disease that once in awhile infect cattles? Should cattle farming be wiped out too?
Dulu Hindraf buat demo, PM dan koncu-koncu kata mereka kera. Tidak guna saluran yang betul! Tidak patuh undang-undang. Tangkap mereka. Membuktikan bahawa mereka membahayakan keselamatan negara. Mereka kena ISA… Sekarang? Di mana keadilannya? Khir Toyo kata mereka ada membincang selepas itu, hantar pegawai ke German untuk kaji selidik tentang ladang moden. Tak ada orang bantah, tak ada demo. Ini bukan perkara utama yang didemokan. ini ada orang cuba menghasut. Kalau dulu khir hantar orang untuk kaji selidik sudah tentu mereka sudah ada rancangan. Lihatlah betul-betul dulu.
I think the initiative is good and is needed. But i think your administration political strategy is weak. you know it is a sensitive issue.u know it is going to be blown out of proportion by the bn media while the political scene is still hot. you know the all the rakyat (M I C) is all enthusiastic and eager to look forward for the fresh development that the new government will bring. And the first big project of change by the PR,the future of Malaysia’s government,that involves the word million, start with the ladang babi thing. dont u have a political strategist or something or at least know how to play chess.mistake mistake. good luck securing supporters in next election coz what people will still and always remember is the first thing and the last thing. n this is not the first thing that you would like them to remember.peace.
None of my Muslim friends I surveyed today supported the idea of having the single largest pig farming facility in Malaysia located in Sepang. The bad rap gained by Chinese pig farmers over Melaka pig farming issue is still fresh in many Muslims’ minds (and DAP’s past press statements on that issue very much slanted towards the farmers’ interests rather than the villagers’ sufferings over their deteriorated quality of life).
Pig farming to fulfill state’s domestic demand is perfectly understandable. But it would definitely be against the Islamic value of Muslim majority if Malaysia to be turned into net exporter in pig-based products. Enough of Malaysia having the biggest casino in South East Asia (before the title taken over by Thailand/Singapore soon)…
There are too many other agricultural products that can be developed shared by the majority of the population like milk, chicken… herbs… WIN-WIN proposition is much much better.
Salam ymcyoung.muslim.constituent,
Maybe we can do some surveys with enough samples about the feelings of Muslims in Malaysia (especially in Selangor) about this issue as you mentioned earlier that you have conducted some surveys.
Wassalam
Teresa,
So what! This is the words used by Ong Tee Kiat when debated with Lim Guan Eng at parliment while Guan Eng accused MCA corruption. So what, the demontration is part of the democracy system. We should accept the monority’s view. So what, who can replace the leader like me as said by Ronnie Liu. The minority ( may be Teng Chang Khim’s people ) critized Ronnie Liu arrogant. So what, Ronnie Liu will be the fifth DAP Secretary General to replace Guan Eng. So what, the leader like him can’t be a Secretary General? His reputation, capablity and sophisticated able be the Secretary General. So what, who can replace him in DAP?
So what, DAP doesn’t has any leaders stronger than him. So what!
Like die-hard BN supporters, Pakatan Rakyat’s supporters are more than willing to accept blanket statement without hard evidence. Disagreeing views are belittled as intolerance. The state says that the farm will use modern technology but details are left out. Is it so much a surprise then that locals protest? After all they only have their past experience to based their judgment on (and environmental deterioration and JE infections are what they remember).
It is the job of the state govt to convince the people affected that the project works. The onus is on the govt. Show pictures, videos, scientific report or/and even bring a representative from the affected communities to Germany so they can see first hand the new technology.
Otherwise, PR should examine alternative locations. This is not the job of the protectors as a previous reader erroneously suggested. PR is the one with resources and the mandate granted by the people.
-lee wee tak says “ok, can the protestors offer a workable alternative?”-
They already did. They voted in Pakatan Rakyat. Now it’s time for PR to live up to campaign promises.
lol.. lets kill all the babis make them gone like Dinosaur.
haha kenapa org malaysia suka kecoh pasal babi ni?sedangkan negera lain tak pernah pun kecoh pasal binatang.Cuma the one and only malaysia.
Please churn out all the scientific number for the pig farming.
There is no point to keep arguing from the personel or political point of view
There is social, economy and science about pig farming.
Economy
– Alternate source of protein compare chicken,beef,fish
– Pig farming will help control the price of other meat. Imagine if all Chinese consume chicken and beef, it will increase those food demand and create artificial inflation to those food
– Pig will take different source of food. With proper plan, the cost of feeds can be reduce 20%-30%, thus reduce the cost of the meat
– An pig feeding industry can be setup. Because Pig can feed on many foods, anyone can involved in animal feed industry.
– Recycle low grade vege/waste for pig feeding. Turning waste into golds
– Asian pig cuisine market, especially China.
– Pig farming take place SMALLER landscape palm oil plantation. It is another billions ringgit industry.
– The farming industry will enhance local economy.
– Enable local livestock antibiotic industry.
Science and ecology
– Pig manure can be turn into energy, fertilizer.
– R&D on the animal waste also mean job creations, economy production,etc.
– Only centralise pig farming will make the pig manure recycling economical
– QC can be assured. (Again, enforcement is important)
– Pig farming need water. Water catchment that collect rain water can reduce water usage.
– Waste management ensure that waste will NOT enter into any river before treatments.
Social Impact
– Smell. Malaysia locate in tropical zone. Cold country technology will be less effective. R&D on various biology way to reduce the smell are important.
– Waste, hygiene and water pollution. Monitoring can be simplify with various sensors. The implementation are NOT as costly as you imagine. This can even be done in 24 hours feeding to a central computer system.
– Noise. Besides the farm, this also including the noise of lorries that transport the pig.
– Insensitive to Muslim. Proper transport, cover transport,etc.
– Land ownership issues.
– Foreign worker issue.
– Flood issues. If you lay too much slab for the farming, the are will prone to flood.
Please, bring out the scientific facts, don’t waste time arguing with toyol.
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This is the very best example for PR to exhibit their “humanness” to the “NON-BELIEVERS.”
They are the unfortunate, followers of insane rote sloganeerings for 40 years – courtesy of the useless past govt..
This is a golden opportunity for PR to demonstrate and make a believer outta them.
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=CDnk7WhP_68
I think all these boils down to “over-sensitivity” over Islam. Though Muslims do not consume pork, the government, especially BN, should not restrict pig-farming as this is an industry which brings about economic growth and it also balances the ecology.
Salam kepada semua,
Sila lihat pendapat Mufti Perlis berhubung isu ini di http://drmaza.com/?p=227
Saya mencadangkan kepada kerajaan negeri Selangor melalui YB Teresa untuk mengambil kira pendapat Mufti Perlis ini kerana pengaruh mufti-mufti sangat besar kepada orang-orang Islam di negara kita.
Secara rumusannya, walaupun Mufti Perlis kurang bersetuju dengan ladang babi ini tetapi Mufti Perlis tetap menyatakan bahawa jika kerajaan negeri bertujuan untuk memusatkan (centralized) ladang babi ini untuk tujuan menjaga alam sekitar, maka tidak ada salahnya. Pada pemerhatian saya yang tidak disenangi oleh Mufti Perlis ialah jika ladang babi ini dibina dengan skala besar untuk tujuan industri dan bukan hanya untuk memenuhi keperluan penduduk bukan Islam setempat dan untuk menjaga alam sekitar.
Harapan saya YB Teresa dapat membawa pendapat Mufti ini untuk diteliti oleh MB dan Exco2 Selangor lainnya.
Wassalam
Hi riduan,
I have read the article you mentioned above.
Regarding his statements on
1. “projek ternakan babi berkelompok bernilai RM100 juta di Sepang, adalah tidak wajar kerana ia boleh menyumbang kepada kemajuan industri haiwan berkenaan.” and
2. “tindakan berkenaan adalah salah kerana ia secara tidak langsung boleh menyumbang kepada kepesatan industri ternakan haiwan berkenaan yang jelas salah di sisi agama.”
I am confused?? I have few questions in my head that LOGICALLY I am not able to come out with any answer.
1. Pig farming is just a business, will definetely contribute to the Malaysia economy. As long as it will not contribute to pollution, it should be fine. Pig is not drug, is not any mass descrutive weapon, not agaisnt any federal law. So what’s wrong?
2. The entire process from farming till the selling of pork to consumers DO NOT involve any muslim. So why “salah di sisi agama”?
3. Malaysia is a secular state and not islamic state, everyone in this country should have their basic human right to live, doing business and if possible grow their business to as big as possible. So again what’s wrong if “menyumbang kepada kepesatan industri berkenaan” and why “salah di sisi agama”? (Take note, no muslim is involved.)
4. Based on our basic human right, no one should force other to believe in what he/she believe in. Am I right??
Sorry I believe in science, based on the factors I mentioned above I just couldn’t equate the formula based on the additional factors that Profesor Madya Dr Mohd Asri Zainul Abidin mentioned.
Non-muslims consumers + Integrated modern pig farm + big business + secular state + human right ≠ environmental friendly + “Salah di sisi agama”
+ “tidak wajar kerana ia boleh menyumbang kepada kemajuan industri haiwan berkenaan”
Total confusion?????
Anybody could equate the formula above???
Regards
PS: I need to make a clarification here, I am not against anybody. I myself seldom eat pork, because I “believe” is not healthy to “me”. Take note is only my believe and is only to me.
Kalau le teknologi tu betul-betul hebat buatle kat kawasan bandar yang majoriti penduduknya golongan yang memakan daging tu..
Isunye bukan pasal ini konon negara islam tetapi adalah bau yang cukup memualkan kalau tak percaya pergi le kat kawasan paya mengkuang .
Pelik kenapa mesti kat kawasan majoriti melayu aje
From now on,we will see more ummo people coming out to say no to this and that.The best way is to show prove that the Toyo guy did agree to the project and it will be end of the story. If not the story will go and on. Don’t waste time on this PIG issue,i m sure we got better things to worry about.
UMNO is seizing every opportunities to attack PR, even such plan was earlier approved by them. Even the modern pig farming is better for all rakyat.
Lets look at the current situation, we have maybe hundreds of such conventional farms discharging farm s’ waste into almost all rivers in Selangor. Rivers pollution is a real thing. It affects not only the muslims, but every one. Now, the plan is to centralized into one single location and the waste will be recycled without discharged into river. No river pollution. Is this a good thing for everyone?
There are some shallow minded raised the risk of JE/NV from pig. Is it not that chicken can be infected with H5N1/bird flu and cow with mad cow disease? The question is how we management our livestocks. Here, we have a plan of a modern farm with better waste management, handling, better feeds and with veterinary service to monitor the health of the pigs. Is it not the risk of any infection will be way lower than the current condition? If fact, all livestock should be centralized in modern facilities. Why pigs first and not chickens? This is because chicken shit is smaller than pig shit, pig shit is at least 50 times the amount of chicken shit and post greater pollution than chicken shit. That is why centralization of pigs farming is the first one selected.
Some said that centralized pig farming will lead to the growth of pig industry and exportation of pig and its against the religion (Islam). Here i like to quote from The Quran Miracles ” The prohibition of the pork was mentioned in the Holy Qur’an’s verses in four points. ALLAH (Glory is to him) says :
(He hath only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that on which any other name hath been invoked besides that of Allah. But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits – then is he guiltless. For Allah is Oft-Forgiving Most Merciful) (The Cow’s Chapter …verse no: 173)
(Forbidden to you (your food) are: dead meat, blood, the flesh of swine, and that on wish hath been invoked the name of other than Allah; that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; than which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal; unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form); that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject Faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not but fear me. This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed my favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination transgression, Allah is indeed Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful).(The table’s Chapter…verse no: 3)
(Say: I find not in the message received by me by inspiration any (meat) forbidden to be eaten by one who wishes to eat it, unless it be dead meat, or blood poured forth, or the flesh of swine, for it is an abomination or, what is impious, (meat) on which a name has been invoked, other than Allah’s. But (even so), if a person is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits, thy Lord is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful).(The Cattle’s Chapter…verse no: 145).)
(He has only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and any (food) over which the name of other than Allah has been invoked. But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits, then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful). (The Bee’s Chapter…verse no: 115)…”
The above verses are clear and simple to understand. Muslims are forbidden to eat THE FLESH OF SWINE. NO MORE AND ON LESS.
Let me share with you another one here http://travel.asiaone.com/Travel/News/Story/A1Story20080331-57109.html “Pig farms bloom in Muslim Morocco thanks to tourism”
Here we have a plan for a centralized, cleaner, environmental friendlier, confined and probably enclosed as most modern pig farms are. All will be handled by non-muslims. You will not see any other pig farm than the one at that location. Is it not better for everyone? Irrespectively of religion?
If the Muslims feel that the current condition is OK for them, then we will have to respect them and don’t change.
DAP kate projek angkasawan merupakan satu pembaziran…
sedangkan kalau kerajaan pusat mengeluarkan dana pun tidak akan lebih daripada RM100 juta….
projek ternak babi sampai angka 10 digit tak pulak kate membazir….
teresa bole ar cakap camtu sebab dier dgn kaum dier je makan bende tu….
tak kisah ar kalau ape yang aku kate ni bentuk perkauman sebab babi tu pun dak bentuk perkauman…
memang lah babi tu makhluk tuhan tapi babi tu haram di sisi Islam….
kalau bende haram di sisi agame teresa orang lain buat, takkan teresa tak marah….
lu pikir la teresa, lu ade nama kat Malaysia even world pun knal you…
lu kalau mau main api, jgn main sama Melayu…
Melayu politik tak sama tapi kalau dah melibatkan isu halal dan haram, Melayu boleh bersatu…
Ini smue agenda DAP nak jatuhkan Malaysia..
smue sah tahu, DAP tu saki baki PAP Singapore…
Kepada orang Melayu yang Menyokong projek ni, balik rumah buat sembahyang sunat Istikharah mintak petunjuk…
jangan biar orang lain pijak kepala bumi asal Melayu ni…
JANGAN MAIN API!!!!
PAS same PKR jadi boneka kat Selangor….
orang dah letak pisau kat blakang pon tak prasan lagi…
Salam Sejahtera chteng,
Minta maaf kerana respon yang agak lambat kerana kesibukan kerja…. 🙂
A. Untuk menjawab pertanyaan you:
Regarding his statements on
1. “projek ternakan babi berkelompok bernilai RM100 juta di Sepang, adalah tidak wajar kerana ia boleh menyumbang kepada kemajuan industri haiwan berkenaan.” and
2. “tindakan berkenaan adalah salah kerana ia secara tidak langsung boleh menyumbang kepada kepesatan industri ternakan haiwan berkenaan yang jelas salah di sisi agama.”
I am confused?? I have few questions in my head that LOGICALLY I am not able to come out with any answer.
Jawapan saya: Satu perkara yang kita perlu jelas adalah perkara utama yang ditekankan oleh Mufti adalah berkenaan industri ternakan babi dikembangkan dengan pesatnya (kerana pada pendapat saya, mufti melihat kepada angka 100 juta) dan bukan berkenaan samada membina ladang babi boleh atau tidak. Di sini sangat jelas bahawa membina ladang babi untuk memenuhi keperluan orang bukan Islam tidak menjadi masalah di dalam Islam.
B. Soalan you: Pig farming is just a business, will definetely contribute to the Malaysia economy. As long as it will not contribute to pollution, it should be fine. Pig is not drug, is not any mass descrutive weapon, not agaisnt any federal law. So what’s wrong? dan The entire process from farming till the selling of pork to consumers DO NOT involve any muslim. So why “salah di sisi agama”?
Jawapan saya: Di sini saya rasa you kena faham beberapa perkara prinsip asas di dalam Islam. Di dalam Islam, tidak dibenarkan untuk menjalankan urusan jual beli dan mengambil hasil daripada perkara yang diharamkan oleh agama. Contoh paling mudah adalah arak. Walaupun di dalam al-Quran, hanya terdapat arahan mengharamkan meminum arak, tetapi didetailkan oleh Nabi Muhammad melalui hadis2 baginda bahawa tidak boleh diadakan urusan jual beli arak, tidak boleh dihidangkan, tidak boleh diminum, tidak boleh orang Islam terlibat dalam proses penghantaran dan penerimaan dan tidak boleh menghasilkan arak dan juga tidak boleh bekerja di tempat2 penghasilan arak dan tidak boleh bersama2 di dalam majlis yang arak diminum. Maka berkenaan ternakan babi pun disamakan dengan hukum yang sama iaitu dengan bahasa yang senangnya, Muslim tidak boleh terlibat langsung dengan penternakan babi ini. Walaupun begitu, tidak menjadi masalah untuk bukan Islam menternak dan memenuhi keperluan mereka.
Tujuan larangan sedemikian dan melibatkan urusan perniagaan adalah untuk mensucikan harta Muslim daripada perkara2 yang haram.
Perkara yang menjadi persoalan sekarang adalah berkenaan hasil daripada industri babi ini. Sudah tentu tauke2 industri babi perlu membayar cukai dan duit cukai ini akan bercampur dengan duit2 lainnya di dalam perbendaharaan negara. Jadi di peringkat pusat, bercampurnya hasil negara yang halal dan haram. Walaubagaimanapun terdapat penyelesaian untuk kes ini sebenarnya di dalam Islam. Penyelesaian ini saya tidak study secara detail lagi tetapi saya akan terangkan secara brief sahaja di sini:
Penyelesaian: Kerajaan menggunakan hasil daripada industri babi dan seumpama dengannya (arak, judi dsbg.) untuk pembangunan orang-orang bukan Islam. Contohnya untuk pembangunan rumah2 ibadat, untuk orang-orang bukan Islam yang miskin, untuk tujuan pendidikan, dsbg.
C. Soalan you: Malaysia is a secular state and not islamic state, everyone in this country should have their basic human right to live, doing business and if possible grow their business to as big as possible. So again what’s wrong if “menyumbang kepada kepesatan industri berkenaan” and why “salah di sisi agama”? (Take note, no muslim is involved.)
Jawapan saya: Saya tidak bersetuju jika dikatakan Malaysia sebuah negara secular dan tidak setuju juga untuk katakan Malaysia sebuah negara Islam. Malaysia mempunyai kedua2 ciri2 tersebut. Walaubagaimanapun saya bersetuju bahawa prinsip hak asasi mesti diutamakan samada bagi sebuah negara sekular atau Islam. Merujuk kepada salah di sisi agama adalah kerana masalah hasil negara yang bercampur antara halal dan haram seperti yang saya terangkan sebelum ini. Mungkin mufti melihat bahawa kerajaan BN tiada kesungguhan untuk menyelesaikan masalah hasil ini dan oleh kerana itu beliau mencadangkan bahawa perkara ini salah disisi agama kerana beliau melihat lebih jauh masalah yang akan timbul kepada orang-orang Islam jika ternakan babi ini dikomersialkan secara besar-besaran. Actually perkara ini pernah diutarakan oleh ahli2 parlimen PAS sebelum ini berkenaan bercampurnya hasil halal negara dengan hasil haram daripada arak dan judi. PAS telah mencadangkan supaya dijalankan penyelesaian seperti yang saya sebutkan tetapi kerajaan pusat BN tidak mahu melaksanakannya.
D. Based on our basic human right, no one should force other to believe in what he/she believe in. Am I right??
Jawapan saya: Saya bersetuju tiada sesiapa pun dipaksa untuk percaya kepada kepercayaan orang lain dan ini bertepatan dengan arahan al-Quran, “Tiada paksaan di dalam beragama”. Walaubagaimanapun kita kena hormat menghormati dan cuba sedaya mungkin untuk menjaga sensitiviti masyarakat berbilang kaum dan agama di dalam negara ini. Komen Mufti Perlis menjurus kepada implikasi industri ini kepada orang-orang Islam kerana saya rasa Mufti melihat tiada penyelesaian di peringkat pusat.
E. Sorry I believe in science, based on the factors I mentioned above I just couldn’t equate the formula based on the additional factors that Profesor Madya Dr Mohd Asri Zainul Abidin mentioned.
Non-muslims consumers + Integrated modern pig farm + big business + secular state + human right ≠ environmental friendly + “Salah di sisi agama”
+ “tidak wajar kerana ia boleh menyumbang kepada kemajuan industri haiwan berkenaan”
Jawapan: Maybe equationnya sepatutnya begini mengikut perspective Muslim,
Non-muslims consumers + Integrated modern pig farm + big business + human right + environmental friendly = tiada masalah kepada Muslim jika hasil ini digunakan untuk pembangunan orang-orang bukan Islam sahaja = tidak salah disisi agama = orang Islam dapat menikmati hak memastikan harta mereka suci (hak asasi seorang Islam) = orang bukan Islam dapat menikmati hak menternak babi dan membangunkan industri ini (hak asasi seorang bukan Islam).
Semoga jawapan saya ini menjelaskan kecelaruan saudara.
Wassalam
The proposal to relocate scattered pig farms in Selangor and confine all pig-farming activity to a centralised area (PFA) with centralised waste-treatment facility in Sepang (an existing pig farming area) will help solve environmental pollution. — Am sure NGo understands.
Scattered pig farms with poor waste-treatment facilities can cause problems as this will be Bad for the rakyat and muslims community.– AM sure umno and pas people understand.
Confining pig farming to a single pollution-controlled area will make it easier for enforcement agencies to monitor and enforce strict compliance with pollution-control standards.
It will also facilitate improvement to disease control, animal husbandry and breeding. Am sure fed govt m dept and Ministry of health understands..
The abattoir can also be located within the PFA so that no live pigs (only pig carcasses) leave the area. There should be a buffer zone with a garden surrounding the PFA to reduce odour pollution.Am sure Ministry of Agricultural and ministray for Domestic Trade understand..
Salam sejahtera kepada YB dan semua,
Saya harap dengan isu babi yang timbul ini YB dapat melihat bezanya islam yang dibawa oleh PAS dan Islam Hadhari yang dijaja UMNO yang mana lebih Universal dan boleh diterima pelbagai kaum. Saya sebagai orang islam cukup terasa dan kesal dengan kenyataan Lim Kit Siang dan Karpal Singh serta YB sendiri mengenai islam.Akibat terpengaruh dengan Islam Hadhri UMNO, DAP memperleceh PAS, tetapi tengok apa yang berlaku pad hari ini, hampir kesemua laman blog ahli PAS membela Kerajaan Selangor dalam kes BABI ni, itupun gara-gara tindakan YB sendiri yang macam terdesak untuk membuktikan sesuatu kepada kaum CINA. percayalah ISLAM itu adil.
Livestock’s Long Shadow is a United Nations report from the Food and Agriculture Organization. Cattle are “responsible for 18% of greenhouse gases, more than cars, planes and all other forms of transport put together. Cattle are blamed for a host of other environmental crimes, from acid rain to the introduction of alien species, from producing deserts to creating dead zones in the oceans, from poisoning rivers and drinking water to destroying coral reefs. This is called environmental impact.
White meat is healthier than read meat (beef). That’s the health impact.
As for religious issue, how about voicing your concern on Afghanistan, supplying 93 percent of the world’s opium?
Pork eaters are stupid? Check this out!
2007 Ranking THES – QS World University Rankings
18 University of HONG KONG
33 National University of SINGAPORE
38 The CHINESE University of Hong Kong
40 TSINGHUA University
246 University MALAYA (UM)
Go figure!
plsbefair,
I am a chinese. Contrary to your nick, I think you have not been fair with your racist comparisons.
The real concern of Muslims is the pollution caused by conventional pig farms and it is not only a Muslims problem, it is a problem to all Malaysians. Others are just seizing the opportunity of politicizing it.
Many muslims welcome the move by Selangor gov to centralized pig farming. This is because the environment issue on pig farming will be well managed.
I would advise you to research and read more before posting any stupid comparisons.
Salam Sejahtera plsbefair,
Komen anda menunjukkan anda seolah-olah bermentaliti pengikut setia BN dan kuncu-kuncunya (UMNO, MCA, MIC) yang racist.
Saya seorang Melayu dan saya menolak agenda perkauman UMNO dan BN selama ini. Tambahan lagi saya dilahirkan, dibesarkan dan mendapat hampir kesemua pendidikan saya di Kelantan dan hampir semua ahli keluarga saya didiskriminasi oleh BN Kelantan yang juga sama bangsa dan agama dengan saya. Jangan ingat hanya orang Cina dan India saja didiskriminasi. Kami orang-orang Melayu yang tidak menyokong BN juga menjadi mangsa diskriminasi.
Kami diajar oleh Tuan Guru Nik Aziz bahawa dalam Islam semua kaum itu sama disisi Tuhan tak kira warna kulit, bahasa dan agama. So kita kena buat baik pada semua orang dan kena berbuat adil pada semua kaum. Masih teringat lagi kata-kata Tuan Guru bahawa doa seorang bukan Islam yang dizalimi pasti akan didengari oleh Tuhan. Oleh itu jauhkan daripada menzalimi sesiapa pun walaupun bukan Islam. Dan juga kami bersabar dizalimi oleh kerajaan BN di Kelantan selama ini.
Juga untuk membetulkan kefahaman saudara, Islam tidak pernah mengajar bahawa orang yang makan babi adalah bodoh. Setahu saya ajaran tu dibawa oleh UMNO bukannya Islam yang sebenar. Oleh sebab tu anda boleh buat perbandingan antara Melayu UMNO dan Melayu PAS. Orang-orang Melayu UMNO diajar untuk membenci bangsa lain melalui BTN dan sebagainya.
Perintah larangan memakan babi di dalam al-Quran hanya untuk menguji orang-orang Islam tentang keimanan mereka tidak pernah disebut oleh Tuhan bahawa orang yang makan babi akan jadi bodoh. Saya sarankan anda merujuk sumber yang asal siapkan dengan penjelasan dan figure yang sepatutnya dan bukan hanya komen apa yang anda dengar atau baca tanpa rujukan. Sekarang kita berada di kurun ke-21, so bila anda tuduh bahawa statement bahawa makan babi jadi bodoh adalah daripada sumber Islam, maka anda perlu buktikan daripada mana anda buat rujukan. Jika hanya dengar cakap orang, kalau masuk mahkamah, anda confirm kalah perbicaraan. Jangan katakan pada saya anda dengar daripada rakan Melayu anda yang mana confirm rakan Melayu anda tu Melayu UMNO.
Akhirnya kepada plsbefair, ubahlah mentaliti anda jika anda masih mahu bersama Pakatan Rakyat.
Tiada lagi diskriminasi dan ucapan-ucapan perkauman. Malaysia adalah untuk orang-orang Malaysia seluruhnya.
Wassalam
I don’t know why all these ppl frus about pigs?? So wats the big deal?? Displaying picture of pigs called insensitive but watching porn is ok… btw Ms Teresa didn’t ask any muslim to join her in her roasted pig carnival.
p/s: wo zui zhong yi sei char siew fan… yummy… can’t live without it
haiyo u bodoh ppl jangan makan babi la. eat fish chicken lembu why want to waste time talking about babi….LEE KIM PENG
riduan
Salam Sejahtera plsbefair,
1) Komen anda menunjukkan anda seolah-olah bermentaliti pengikut setia BN dan kuncu-kuncunya (UMNO, MCA, MIC) yang racist.
>> Dearest Riduan, what make you think DAP leaders are not recist too?
2) Tambahan lagi saya dilahirkan, dibesarkan dan mendapat hampir kesemua pendidikan saya di Kelantan dan hampir semua ahli keluarga saya didiskriminasi oleh BN Kelantan yang juga sama bangsa dan agama dengan saya
>> We do not need politicians to make money. we work hard we earn good money.
3) Akhirnya kepada plsbefair, ubahlah mentaliti anda jika anda masih mahu bersama Pakatan Rakyat
>> & i tot malaysia is a democratic country freedom of speech etc etc etc
ts23944
lol.. lets kill all the babis make them gone like Dinosaur.
haha kenapa org malaysia suka kecoh pasal babi ni?sedangkan negera lain tak pernah pun kecoh pasal binatang.Cuma the one and only malaysia
hahahahhahah ONLY IN MALAYSIA. politicians like to talk about babi. apala. this is wat we Malaysians voted for….babi debaters
Hi riduan,
Haha, just read your reply that hiding somewhere in between all these response, almost missed out. 🙂
Thank you for your detail explanation, today I have learnt something new about Islam. This is the first time I heard about “hasil halal” and “hasil haram”, this is interesting. If this is really the cause of problem, I can understand his concern.
As a non-muslim, I don’t really mind how these “hasil-hasil” are being used, as long as it is used for the good of all “Rakyat Malaysia” especially the lower income group. But I fully support you suggestion (angkat dua tangan and dua kaki) if the “hasil haram” could be splited out to help the low income non-muslims community, because a lot of them have long been discriminated under BN goverment espcially on housing and education. 😀
Regarding the “hasil haram” that you mentioned above, I recalled that just last 2 day the new Selangor government(I think, Yocob) just announced that the big bosses behind this moderm pig farm are umno’s cronies. So these unmoputeras are directly involved in the business. Just to check with you, am I right to say that all the income that they earn are “haram” and “salah di sisi agama”?
Lastly I strongly believed that Pakatan Rakyat could bring hope to Malaysia. I see more Rakyat are moving few steps ahead of BN now toward a developed nation. Here we can discuss sensitive issues but the past 50 years under BN, they keep creating racial tentions (a virtual Berlin wall) between Rakyat just for their personal agenda. Hopefully more “Rakyat Malaysia” regardless of their race are wake up now.
Regards
Where can I have technical details of the proposed modern pig farm? The information published so far doesn’t indicate how the odor is controlled, especially from the fresh manure. The farmers must take responsibility and regard this odor removal operation as part of their cost if they want long term sustainability of their business in this country.
This kabutalwayz joker must be sick. Anyway, it the project is too controversial, i suggest the selangor govt. find an alternative site. Let’s go for a win-win situation. Do not let this be ammo for umno to fire at PR. PR has to listen to the rakyat, eventhough how minority the dissent is.
Further to my previous comment, I refer to chteng’s comment on 11-April which states:1. Pig farming is just a business, will definetely contribute to the Malaysia economy. As long as it will not contribute to pollution, it should be fine. Pig is not drug, is not any mass descrutive weapon, not agaisnt any federal law. So what’s wrong? & Haveaview’s point (12-April), i.e Confining pig farming to a single pollution-controlled area will make it easier for enforcement agencies to monitor and enforce strict compliance with pollution-control standards.
we agree that pig farming is a business, and pollution control (+ religious sentiments) are key concerns. Judging from their existence over the years I believe it can continue as long as no issues crop up. We know for sure that pollution (both to environment & residents’ living/religious standard) is a major issue: i.e. non-compliance with waste water standards and offensive odor.
Can those problems be overcome? Yes, as per Government’s proposal to set up the big facility (wonder why we need to spend so much! Technically it is viable even with simple solutions – just a matter of commitment by farmers and strict enforcement). You & I know why selected people propose & implement megaprojects…. & can paint beautiful story to the uninformed public to justify their actions…
Can the German facility cope with smell & discharged water quality? So far what we heard or read is the biogas portion. This biogas portion is proposed because the party involved is able to make handsome money from the trading of carbon credits (reduce greenhouse gas emission)from this operation. The party who benefits from this part of the business ought to partially finance the project. However, this portion of the “pollution control” does not solve the initial fresh odor/smell of the manure & the subsequent wastewater and sludge quality problems after the biogas collection/emission.
We can only guess that the company managing the biogas will finance the necessary actions to overcome these key pollution problems. Can the details be released for us to understand better?
Where is the catch? What is the cost to the pig farmers? Will it be fair to the farmers, and subsequently to the consumers, and the public? we know there is no free ride….
Finally will there be a win-win ending – socially, environmentally & economically?
what i can see now is that the Chinese agree with this coz they eat babi…no wonder…mkn benda2 haram ni gelap hati…hati tu dah kotor dah xleh wat apa dah…
and of course the Malays & Muslims disagree coz babi is haram (not permitted) in Islam…tak mkn babi, tak minum arak…
the only thing is our mb is a malay & muslim (i guess)…he has the power to stop the project even it has been approved by khir toyo…LU PIKIR LA SENDIRI!!! mb ni takut kena tembak ngan teresa kot…